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[heidi]

This is probably the most difficult post I've made here on LJ in a long time, if ever.

This morning, nostrademons emailed me and praetorianguard regarding some IP matches that he did using information posted on recent Charlotte Lennox posts on JournalFen and comments to those posts.

On JournalFen, el juno posted 68.82.43.3 as the address they have at JournalFen associated with Sporkify - as far as nostrademons, praetorianguard and I can tell, this is the first time that IP address has been publicly shared as a "sockpuppet" IP address. nostrademons ran it through FA's archives, and found that it did match the IP address used by MsScribe on FA in the winter and spring of 2004.

Back in March of 2004, when I was told that many GT'ers thought that Sporkify was an FA Mod, I did ask on the Yahoogroup we have for mod-organizational things whether anyone on said list was Sporkify, and MsScribe lied to me. She posted a reply and said that people thought it was someone on her flist, and then said, "Did they wank something else? *goes to look*"

I believed her, just as I believed all the other FA Mods who posted to that list that week and said they weren't Sporkify - and of course, everyone but MsScribe answered truthfully. But I believed her, and praetorianguard believed her, and so did everyone else. After that, there was one more wank posted by Sporkify on F_W - this one actually involved wanking about FA and some of its mods - and at almost the same time, MsScribe asked if she could resign from FA. I, of course, said yes, and she stopped modding on FA. She was on-staff from early June, 2003 (when I was on leave having my son Jon, then working on Nimbus) until late March, 2004, and in that time-frame was on leave for most of November and December.

Now, I know people are going to say that we should've figured this out before, but we had no information about Sporkify's IP address, and we had no expectation that JF would ever release it, because their ToU's Privacy Policy states, "Journalfen will never release your personal
information, to anyone, except as may be required by law, or in the course of any possible legal proceedings.... Journalfen will never sell, or otherwise make available, information that is not required for the normal display of your journal."

Back in the spring of 2003, praetorianguard and owlman tried to make it clear that FA mods were not acting for FA when they weren't posting on the site, and that only the two of them and I were authorized to act on behalf of FA off-site. Therefore, unless someone complained about MsScribe as an FA moderator or she violated the FA ToU in some way, none of this involved FA. At that time, nobody directly contacted me about it, afaik.

Personally, I am sorry anyone was hurt by anything that has happened in fandom over the last six years that I've been a part of it. I feel extremely duped and upset about this whole situation. That being said, I am all written-out at this point, and so I'm going to parrot Irina. It's so hard to understand how someone who has been so kind to me, and whom I've seen be kind to others, could also do this - could be untruthful directly to me.

I don't think I've ever posted anything publicly or semi-publicly to hurt any of the GT users. I am friends with people who had fics there, and who posted there, and I would never want to hurt them, or anyone else who was an innocent victim of anything or anyone, and I know everyone else on FA's org team feels the same way.

If I have, I apologize for it. All these years, I've thought this was something that had nothing to do with me, or with FictionAlley and I really still feel that 99% of it didn't - we don't have any conclusive information to add to the discussion regarding Fermatojam or Pottersginny, according to the investigating that nostrademons did of our database.

Comments

[anatsuno.livejournal.com]

some people get over things, and some stay hurt for a very long time. especially when the hurt involves massive injustice done to them, having cried in the wilderness for naught etc etc. The point seems to be for those at least that now this is older more people are ready to listen with a detached ear, and some of the injustice can be corrected. At least that's what it looks like is happening, if not only.

There might be other specific reasons for the timing, i think we might get to hear about those later on..

I'm sorry you're having a such a hard time. *pets and sends cookies*

[hermorrine.livejournal.com]

What injustice is there to be corrected? How can it possibly be corrected? Please let me know. I'd like to understand.

[edeainfj.livejournal.com]

What injustice is there to be corrected?

If you don't know the answer to that question, you haven't been reading the story.

[hermorrine.livejournal.com]

You're right - I stopped. I got to points I knew weren't true and gave it up as a ridiculous waste of time.

[edeainfj.livejournal.com]

Please tell me which of the items below is not true, and why. Seriously. I believe in knowing both sides to every story (unlike you, it seems).


- Msscribe was pottersginny (already confirmed)
- Msscribe was sporkify (already confirmed)
- Msscribe was Clarabella (already confirmed)
- Msscribe was fandom_scruples
- Msscribe was watchful_entity
- Msscribe was karma_bitch (already confirmed)
- Msscribe persecuted members of the former Gryffindor Tower (already confirmed)
- Msscribe lied to Heidi, Irina, Aja, and pretty much everyone she knew (already confirmed)
- There is no Louis Movello
- Msscribe was not fired from her job because of a fandom stalker
- There was no "fermatojam"


Please. I'm all ears. (or eyes, as it were)


I believe Charlotte speaks best for herself: "I am neither unbiased nor uninvolved in the events I am relating. However, my main goal is to tell the truth. If Msscribe can show that she is innocent of the main accusations I am making about her -- if she can show that "Louis" truly did exist and stalk her, or she really did work for a state senator and got outed by letters, for instance -- I will give her an abject public apology as Charlotte, as my usual fandom self, and in my real-life name as well. I will also donate $1000 to the charity of her choice." (emphasis mine)

[chocolatepot.livejournal.com]

There is no Louis Movello = confirmed - see angua9.

I talked to a woman named Gwen in the Records Department, and told her Dionne's real name, Louis Movello's name, the date (March 2003), and the alleged circumstances. She could find no record of such a case.

[malaleen.livejournal.com]

But what about the people from GT and SQ who had their names and reputations smeared all over fandom? Don't they deserve to have the truth told?

[hermorrine.livejournal.com]

I don't know of any of those people, but if something like this actually helps them? Great. I find it hard to believe that wank could ever do something positive, however.

[edeainfj.livejournal.com]

It seemed to work pretty well for msscribe... until now, at least.

[(Anonymous)]

I think you are pulling a MS. Scribe here just making wves for attention

[font.livejournal.com]

While I happen to disagree with hermorrine's main point that nothing good is coming of this -- had I been on the receiving end of Dionne's actions, I can't even imagine what kind of catharsis I would be feeling; I would probably cry for days -- I really don't agree that Morri is doing this for attention. She's watching someone she cares for being hurt, and that's never easy. Please try to remember that there are people here who really did and do trust and care for Dionne (I am not claiming to be one of them; I've never known her personally and all I can dredge up for her in light of these allegations is disgust and horror), and that this is going to be painful for them, and that everyone has their own timeline of understanding and acceptance.

[ashavah]

As a former GT member and a friend of others: yes, it is helping. Not the accusations, but the careful timeline with links between what sparked off what event. It helped me to understand why H/G seemed to be a dirty word for so long. And that has helped me to feel a lot better about fandom.

[edeainfj.livejournal.com]

Don't they deserve to have the truth told?

Only if they're your friends!

< /sarcasm >

[malaleen.livejournal.com]

Apparently so...

[anatsuno.livejournal.com]

I would, but it's actually shorter if you go read the story. To be short, apparently some injustice was done to some of the GT and or SQ people. This is the short of it - and what I was refering to - the long is on JF.

[cleverthylacine]

I just can't understand why anyone would choose to do this there. The communities on that site are like Jerry Springer. I think that a lot of the people who resisted believing that any of this was true would have been more likely to accept it if it had been posted almost anywhere else.

PSA

[gunderpants.livejournal.com]

It has been posted on a livejournal account as well: charlottelennox.

[no-remorse.livejournal.com]

The bad_penny community could easily fall under the LJ harrassment rule, which means that one measley e-mail from anyone could have lead to its deletion. On JF this is very unlikely to happen. I don't know if this was the reason for putting the comm on JF, but it is possible.

[julian-black.livejournal.com]

I was just thinking the same thing, myself. I'd even lay money on that being the reason.

[anatsuno.livejournal.com]

Sure. for serious PR, maybe choosing journalfen was a mistake. But knowing LJ and the speed at which LJAbuse sometimes suspends users to ahve the omg bas taste to offend someon with friends in the right places... I think I would have made the same choice as them, personally.

Also, not to imply that people aren't allowed to grow and evolve and change their minds, but you used to enjoy the Jerry Springer sandbox for a while, no? It's a little odd to think that now you find it all so "beneath you" or whatever. I think people do not have to approve all of what goes on on JF or in FW or on offshoot communities to partake, and that painting a whole site with one brush is a little ... easy and dumb.

For example, JF's TOS has little to do with the fact that one precise forum/community's moderator (FW) has chosen to release IP information s/he is privy to, from their own forum/comm. Esecially when the LJ code system has been designed so that people posting are made aware than their IP is logged AS THEY POST.

[cleverthylacine]

Yes. I used to post there. I also said, in public, that I thought I had been doing wrong by doing so. I'm really stymied by the common JF attitude that just because you've done something gauche or mean or whatever you are obligated to a) keep doing it and b) think it's okay. Sometimes, people really do come to the conclusion that what they were doing wasn't a good thing to do.

[anatsuno.livejournal.com]

okay, yp. Like i said, far be it from me to imply that changing is wrong or impossible. Cool, now i understand better, now you saw the light. noted. I had missed that development until today, is all.

[mcity.livejournal.com]

I did. I was a right arse when I first joined. Now I'm slightly less of an arse.

[mcity.livejournal.com]

The communities on that site are like Jerry Springer.

It's a bunch of dumb rednecks?