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heinous_bitca, as edited by smilie117. But I think I need to ask Sabs to animate it and add in a second panel that basically says, "but not at writing dialogue..."
Now, for SW Ep. III
Am I the only one who saw the Milennium Falcon in begining, in the first scene where multiple vehicles are docking? Sorta to the righthand side, iirc?
Makinmg the Death Star - it takes 18 years? Wouldn't it have made a smidge more sense if they'd been looking at the plans for it, instead, and, like, approving them or killing the first architect because of some bonehead security flaw, or something?
Along those lines, there's a few other places where a bit more exposition would've worked better and caused the film to make so much more sense, most notably if Palpatine had said to Anakin "You are responsible for Windu's death and it was your anger and desperation that caused it to happen; the Jedi will know this and you can now never go back to them." Otherwise, it seems like within a three hour time frame, he goes from "I think I'll say I'll go along with this Palpatine thing until I learn how to save Padme and then I can get out because I have the power and I won't let him suck me into a vortext of evil" to "Hey! Evil! Fun! I can do that"
Nonetheless, I loved the "rule the galaxy together" bit. Anakin's just looking for lurve, isn't he? That being said, there was one moment which was just so Oedipal as to be disturbing, but now I can't remember for the life of me what, exactly, it was. Anyone?
Beru & owen - shouldn't they have aged a bit more b/c of sun or something? They look too old in IV to have looked this young now.
When Padme said she wanted to return to Naboo and spend time planning a nursery, the thought that went through my mind was, "Jewish women don't do that!" Really - the standard is to not set up the nursery before the baby is born - it's a very ingrained paranoia.
Along the "more exposition, please" lines, does anyone who read the book know if there was any about Anakin having some ingrained power over death so as to not die from the fire caused by the lava?
Is code 65g (or whatever it exactly was) code for "kill all jedi but anakin"? If anakin hadn't turned would the code have been 629 or something? And did they all get some coded image of what Anakin looked like, so they'd know not to kill him?
Why doesn't chewie ever tell Han he's wrong re Kenobi being the last Jedi? I mean, he fought beside Yoda and helped him escape. And does Chewie agree with Han that it's a silly old religion?
Relatedly, does yoda give a list to Kenobi of People Who Know Me And May Help, and that's why the two of them link up in the Cantina?
Doesn't anyone notice that the organas suddenly have a baby? Or do they tell some story like the Sally Field characetr in soapdish who gets pregnant by Kevin Klein (hey! life as a house connection!) but to hide the baby, she invents a sister who died in a car crash and has the child raised the Sally character's mother?
Overall, I liked the resonances with the original trilogy, especially the subtle bits like the tiny scuttling-on-the-floor droids, and I don't have any gripes with continuity in terms of Threepio and R2, mostly because Vader never sees R2 in the original trilogy, and the only time he's in the same room as Threepio is when he's strapped to Chewbaca's back, and I'm not sure he really thinks much on whether it's the same droid or not. The continuity issue with Leia remembering her mother irked me a little, but as I've seen posited elsewhere, maybe Bail's wife died and that's who Leia was refering to, and said woman was sad a lot because Bail brought this baby home but forgot to pick up things like diapers on the way?
Also, Padme? Not pregnant enough-looking to be term with twins, and the twins definitely looked term to me, and given that I saw a full-term baby placed on my belly three seconds out of my uterus about five weeks ago, I think I can be trusted to give an expert opinion in such matters.
I did like how Bail gave his daughter his old and safe and large space cruiser, and not the cute, red, sporty thing. SO much more parental!
I've seen a few other people give their History of Going to SW Movies, so here's mine:
I saw SW about a week or so after it came out, with my dad (not sure if my mom was there), my little sister, my dad's best friend Bart, and Bart's two kids, who were friends with me and my sister. Bart had brought McDonalds from the place across the street into the theater, so we had burgers & fries as we watched. And we didn't see the final medal-awarding scene, because we left as it was starting, so as to beat the crowds. But we got the movie on Betamax about six months later, and I finally saw it then. Between then, and the release of ESB, I probably saw SW 400 times - it was second only to Grease in viewings in our house.
I saw Empire, also, about a week after it came out, but I'd already read the comic book version, which IIRC had the "I love you too" line. Harrison Ford = so much better at dialogue-writing than George Lucas, nu?
I remember the poster for Revenge of the Jedi and being excited that it was finally coming out. I saw ROTJ the day it came out, and again two days later. It was the first time I took a bus with a friend. And I bought the novelization the next day. Aaron and I have a special place on our bookshelf for the novelizations of the original trilogy, although I keep my novelization of Episode One far, far away from that place.
When the trilogy was rereleased, I saw SW the first night, in a crowded theater full of 20- and 30somethings on the upper east side in NYC. But to see 5 and 6, we decided to brave the Ziegfeld and the incredible line to be able to be a part of something enormous and celebratory and it was great, not just because I bumped into a guy I had about two dates with in college who played Luke at the Toy Show in NYC a few times - he's an excellent fencer, and perpetually cute.
I didn't have to wait in line to get tickets for Ep 1, but we did have to wait in line to get into the theater. I was six months pregnant with Harry, and someone was nice enough to bring a chair over, so I sat in the line for about 90 minutes. And afterwards, I wasn't sure why I'd bothered. When the time came for Ep 2, Aaron and I went about 2-3 weeks after the release, and it was just painful. The frolicking and the romancing were just brain-freezing, and I was glad it was over.
I hadn't planned to see ROTS in theaters, much less this week, but even without reading the spoiler-laden comments, just seeing the moods here on LJ from people who'd seen it was enough to compel me into the theater.
And I'm glad I saw it. In fact, I think I'll order this on DVD. And watch it. But for now, I'm off to grab some ice cream and watch episode 4. Yummy.
heinous_bitca, as edited by smilie117. But I think I need to ask Sabs to animate it and add in a second panel that basically says, "but not at writing dialogue..."Now, for SW Ep. III
Am I the only one who saw the Milennium Falcon in begining, in the first scene where multiple vehicles are docking? Sorta to the righthand side, iirc?
Makinmg the Death Star - it takes 18 years? Wouldn't it have made a smidge more sense if they'd been looking at the plans for it, instead, and, like, approving them or killing the first architect because of some bonehead security flaw, or something?
Along those lines, there's a few other places where a bit more exposition would've worked better and caused the film to make so much more sense, most notably if Palpatine had said to Anakin "You are responsible for Windu's death and it was your anger and desperation that caused it to happen; the Jedi will know this and you can now never go back to them." Otherwise, it seems like within a three hour time frame, he goes from "I think I'll say I'll go along with this Palpatine thing until I learn how to save Padme and then I can get out because I have the power and I won't let him suck me into a vortext of evil" to "Hey! Evil! Fun! I can do that"
Nonetheless, I loved the "rule the galaxy together" bit. Anakin's just looking for lurve, isn't he? That being said, there was one moment which was just so Oedipal as to be disturbing, but now I can't remember for the life of me what, exactly, it was. Anyone?
Beru & owen - shouldn't they have aged a bit more b/c of sun or something? They look too old in IV to have looked this young now.
When Padme said she wanted to return to Naboo and spend time planning a nursery, the thought that went through my mind was, "Jewish women don't do that!" Really - the standard is to not set up the nursery before the baby is born - it's a very ingrained paranoia.
Along the "more exposition, please" lines, does anyone who read the book know if there was any about Anakin having some ingrained power over death so as to not die from the fire caused by the lava?
Is code 65g (or whatever it exactly was) code for "kill all jedi but anakin"? If anakin hadn't turned would the code have been 629 or something? And did they all get some coded image of what Anakin looked like, so they'd know not to kill him?
Why doesn't chewie ever tell Han he's wrong re Kenobi being the last Jedi? I mean, he fought beside Yoda and helped him escape. And does Chewie agree with Han that it's a silly old religion?
Relatedly, does yoda give a list to Kenobi of People Who Know Me And May Help, and that's why the two of them link up in the Cantina?
Doesn't anyone notice that the organas suddenly have a baby? Or do they tell some story like the Sally Field characetr in soapdish who gets pregnant by Kevin Klein (hey! life as a house connection!) but to hide the baby, she invents a sister who died in a car crash and has the child raised the Sally character's mother?
Overall, I liked the resonances with the original trilogy, especially the subtle bits like the tiny scuttling-on-the-floor droids, and I don't have any gripes with continuity in terms of Threepio and R2, mostly because Vader never sees R2 in the original trilogy, and the only time he's in the same room as Threepio is when he's strapped to Chewbaca's back, and I'm not sure he really thinks much on whether it's the same droid or not. The continuity issue with Leia remembering her mother irked me a little, but as I've seen posited elsewhere, maybe Bail's wife died and that's who Leia was refering to, and said woman was sad a lot because Bail brought this baby home but forgot to pick up things like diapers on the way?
Also, Padme? Not pregnant enough-looking to be term with twins, and the twins definitely looked term to me, and given that I saw a full-term baby placed on my belly three seconds out of my uterus about five weeks ago, I think I can be trusted to give an expert opinion in such matters.
I did like how Bail gave his daughter his old and safe and large space cruiser, and not the cute, red, sporty thing. SO much more parental!
I've seen a few other people give their History of Going to SW Movies, so here's mine:
I saw SW about a week or so after it came out, with my dad (not sure if my mom was there), my little sister, my dad's best friend Bart, and Bart's two kids, who were friends with me and my sister. Bart had brought McDonalds from the place across the street into the theater, so we had burgers & fries as we watched. And we didn't see the final medal-awarding scene, because we left as it was starting, so as to beat the crowds. But we got the movie on Betamax about six months later, and I finally saw it then. Between then, and the release of ESB, I probably saw SW 400 times - it was second only to Grease in viewings in our house.
I saw Empire, also, about a week after it came out, but I'd already read the comic book version, which IIRC had the "I love you too" line. Harrison Ford = so much better at dialogue-writing than George Lucas, nu?
I remember the poster for Revenge of the Jedi and being excited that it was finally coming out. I saw ROTJ the day it came out, and again two days later. It was the first time I took a bus with a friend. And I bought the novelization the next day. Aaron and I have a special place on our bookshelf for the novelizations of the original trilogy, although I keep my novelization of Episode One far, far away from that place.
When the trilogy was rereleased, I saw SW the first night, in a crowded theater full of 20- and 30somethings on the upper east side in NYC. But to see 5 and 6, we decided to brave the Ziegfeld and the incredible line to be able to be a part of something enormous and celebratory and it was great, not just because I bumped into a guy I had about two dates with in college who played Luke at the Toy Show in NYC a few times - he's an excellent fencer, and perpetually cute.
I didn't have to wait in line to get tickets for Ep 1, but we did have to wait in line to get into the theater. I was six months pregnant with Harry, and someone was nice enough to bring a chair over, so I sat in the line for about 90 minutes. And afterwards, I wasn't sure why I'd bothered. When the time came for Ep 2, Aaron and I went about 2-3 weeks after the release, and it was just painful. The frolicking and the romancing were just brain-freezing, and I was glad it was over.
I hadn't planned to see ROTS in theaters, much less this week, but even without reading the spoiler-laden comments, just seeing the moods here on LJ from people who'd seen it was enough to compel me into the theater.
And I'm glad I saw it. In fact, I think I'll order this on DVD. And watch it. But for now, I'm off to grab some ice cream and watch episode 4. Yummy.
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Not only that...
Date: 2005-05-21 02:12 am (UTC)There's also the problem of another Death Star...if the first one really takes 18 years to build, how is it they threw the second one together so quickly? They were awfully far along on it even assuming they had as much as 4 or 5 years from destroying the first one...
And somebody HAD to come along and pop open R2-D2 and loot the extra RAM, the AirPort card, the good dual-monitor adapter, etc etc, at some point before ep IV.
There's enough material, in fact, for someone to do a canonical episode 3.5 that explains it. Or better yet, a collection of short stories that fills in the holes. If Lucas isn't game, give it to Timothy Zahn; hell, give it to Zahn anyway. Because, 48 hours on, I'm realizing that I may need new material after this after all...
Re: Not only that...
Date: 2005-05-21 02:17 am (UTC)I think you've got it...
Date: 2005-05-21 02:33 am (UTC)See, Microsoft really IS the Empire. As we all know, it takes them three versions to get something right.
Death Star 1.0 was begun at the end of Episode III. As we know, the Geonosians had plans for it in Episode II, and the Empire had to announce a product to forestall losing market share. Death Star 1.0 was a rushed botch of a project that exploded the first time they threw the ON switch, costing them trillions of credits and the lives of several independent contractors.
However, since it could be blamed on a hardware issue, they went ahead with Death Star 2.0, which we saw in Episode IV. It made it through beta all right, but shipped with an overflow buffer issue which could easily be tripped by one malformed packet (okay, in the form of a protono torpedo, but still...) Kaboom.
Death Star 3.0 was the one that was really going to put the Empire on the map and corner the market for planet-destroying space stations. The only way the Rebels could stop it, in Episode VI, was to destroy it before it was done compiling and ready to ship.
Dear God above, I am a paste-eating geek from hell...
Re: I think you've got it...
Date: 2005-05-21 02:43 am (UTC)Re: Not only that...
Date: 2005-05-21 04:32 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2005-05-21 02:16 am (UTC)I'm going to load up the original series when I get home, though, and watch 'em through. Well. Maybe not all in ONE night; I have to work tomorrow.
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Date: 2005-05-21 02:41 am (UTC)And after I saw ROTS, I wanted to watch the original trilogy again, but then remembered I let my friend borrowed it, but she who is back up in NYC so I will get that when I go back up Memorial Day weekend.
But yeah, going in with not much expectation, I thought the movie wasn't bad - I did cringe at some of the dialogue though - it did tug on heartstrings at some points and I got teary...
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Date: 2005-05-21 02:42 am (UTC)but I did not read post, for I have not seen the movie yet
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Date: 2005-05-21 02:44 am (UTC)It was order 66, and by then Ani was Darth Vader. (yes, I know I'm giggling as I type it).
Story Time
Date: 2005-05-21 02:49 am (UTC)It was 1983 and I saw 'Return of the Jedi.' At 7 years old I was way impressed with the Ewoks and Princess Leia saving her man. My mother signed me up for a kid's Ewok/Star Wars magazine then.
I tried to get my father, sister & brother together to go see it this time around like we did back in 1983. No such luck, everyone was busy.
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Date: 2005-05-21 02:57 am (UTC)Actually, (the picky grammarian in me...or something) it's Return of the Jedi, Revenge of the Sith. ;)
Yes, was really surprised at how quickly Anakin turned. I know he was having doubts, but my impression was that he just said, "Hey, what's the down side? I'm in" and that was that.
Oedipal? When he was comparing his visions about his mother AND Padme?
Read the last few pages of the book and it does seem more intense than the movie version (as if he not just caught fire, but was slipped down into the stuff). Maybe he is so strong in the force and metichlorines(Sp?) that those things saved him.
"And did they all get some coded image of what Anakin looked like"
Possibly their 'coding' could sense the Dark Side of the Force?
Chewbacca: Interesting. Maybe it's a movie mistake..... and they just threw Chewie in this movie to please fans?
"yoda give a list"
More like they just happened to be there when Luke and Obi Wan came in....unless the force (Lucas) had something to do with that Providential event...
"Doesn't anyone notice that the organas suddenly have a baby?"
Didn't he say? Maybe he only said his wife wanted a baby...will have to see it again....probably right that they just say they adopted her. But I don't understand...wasn't he kid of suspected to support the Jedi? Would it be safe to send her there? Wouldn't the emperor find out that they suddenly had a daughter and at least send someone close enough to gauge her ability in the force?
"Not pregnant enough-looking to be term with twins"
The voice of experience there... :)
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Date: 2005-05-23 02:39 am (UTC)it's Oedipal because Anakin single-handedly caused the very thing he tried to prevent, which was Padme's death, since she lost her will to live after learning that Obi-Wan chopped up her hubby and let him barbeque by a river of lava. I'd compare ep.iii to a Greek tragedy or a Shakespearean one (think Macbeth, perhaps)
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Date: 2005-05-23 02:48 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2005-05-21 03:57 am (UTC)I am not alone! I made a post last night about that wondering if anyone else caught it. Well, that makes two of us. It must be there.
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Date: 2005-05-21 12:12 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2005-05-21 04:39 am (UTC)Thank you! I was just pondering this last night, along with the fact that Padmé and Anakin apparently don't have sex on the "you're so beautiful" "no, you're so beautiful" night, because she is still ridiculously made up (with jewelery!) when she gets out of bed to go to him. These little things, they get to me...;)
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Date: 2005-05-21 04:53 am (UTC)IIRC, Bail said something about how he and his wife had been thinking of adopting a daughter. So it's all quite convenient.
Bail: "Oh, hi, honey! Look at what I picked up on the way home!"
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Date: 2005-05-21 07:16 am (UTC)Anakin thought they were dead, so it's not like there was anyone looking.
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Date: 2005-05-21 12:15 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2005-05-21 06:45 pm (UTC)