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What the heck is wrong with cousins marrying each other?

Eleanor & Franklin were (distant) cousins...

And so were my children's great great grandparents on their father's father's father's side.

Yes, Aaron's great grandparents were cousins - first cousins, as a matter of fact - and I don't think there's been any lasting ill effects, apart from the utter inability of anyone (bar one uncle) on that branch of the family to produce a girl. Sons. Everyone has sons. No daughters. But I don't think they're really connected.

So long live my new plot bunny wherein the Grownups in the Black family were shipping Sirius/Narcissa from the time they were in their cradle...

And that MWPP-era Emma fic...

And SoC, which I wrote about a page of yesterday...

Ah, gotta love the sleeping baby.

Speaking of which, here's a new picture (large res as usual).

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Date: 2003-06-26 07:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wendywoowho.livejournal.com
There is nothing genetically wrong w/ cousins marrying/procreating.

No, not even first cousins.

It's all a societal thing.

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Date: 2003-06-26 07:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eilanhp.livejournal.com
"A Deep Dark Family Sekret"

I am sorry, but that aubject had me laughing. Can you speak German?

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Date: 2003-06-26 08:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] musikologie.livejournal.com
Yes, the subject line did take on so many more levels. ::is still spluttering::

For non-german speakers, go here.

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Date: 2003-06-26 08:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eilanhp.livejournal.com
*lol*

Well, it could mean the innocent 'Wundsekret', of course...

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Date: 2003-06-26 07:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wcspegasus.livejournal.com
Yeah, the cousins thing is mostly our culture, not our genetics.

I have a BS degree in horse breeding and all thoughout high school I bred and showed guinea pigs. There is actually proof that breeding counsins results in *stronger* genetic line (the good traits amplify and the poor traits tend to fall away).

As an aside this is called *line-breeding* (same bloodlines but not a direct relation between the two), not *inbreeding* (where the two are directly related). Line breeding is HUGE in horses (my own horse has the same relative show up 3 times in his pedigree) and absolutely necessary once in awhile to produce strong healthy cavies.

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Date: 2003-06-26 07:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] petulans.livejournal.com
*dissolves*

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Date: 2003-06-26 07:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tromboneborges.livejournal.com
Help! This gigantic baby will destroy us all! *leaps out window*

(large res as usual)

Oh...well, do I feel foolish...um.

Those interested in the question might want to check out the CUDDLE folks ("Cousins Uniting to Defeat Discrimation Laws through Education"), who are mad as hell and aren't going to take it anymore. Of note is the map of US state cousin marriage laws. I was highly surprised to see that it's legal in quite a bit of the country.

Religion-wise, according to this thing, the Orthodox churches prohibit first-cousin marriages, most Protestant denominations allow it, and the Catholic Church allows it if you get permissiom from the Diocese. Jewish law, incidentally, forbids first-cousin marriage but oddly allows uncle-niece marriage. (And in fact some US states have had to modify their consanguinity laws to allow this to avoid being called for religious persecution!)

Sirius and Cissy are of course in the UK and wizards to boot and, near as I can tell, cousin marriages are just straight-up allowed, no restrictions, no harm, no foul.

In short, I look forward to MWPP!Emma and the childhood pushing-together of Sirius and Narcissa. Theirloveissosurprisinglylegal.

...This, by the way, is what happens when I am procrastinating from doing actual work. My apologies. :)

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Date: 2003-06-26 07:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] datta.livejournal.com
1. Sirius/Narcissa Blackfic always GOOD.

2. Any fic from Heidi is GOOD.

3. Your son is very large. Or it could just be the high res. But we couldn't see his teeth!

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Date: 2003-06-26 08:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rachet.livejournal.com
First off, wonderful picture! What a beautiful baby. Gorgeous complexion.

Secondly, cousins can marry, I don't see the problem at all. It's a bit touch and go for first cousins to marry, genetically speaking, if they plan on having children. But after that, the distance makes them as different as you and...your neighbor.

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Date: 2003-06-26 08:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] molliee.livejournal.com
Stop. Making. Me. Broody.

He's adorable Heidi :)

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Date: 2003-06-26 08:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peacockharpy.livejournal.com
Jon is so cute!

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Date: 2003-06-26 08:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rhiannon333.livejournal.com
Jonathon is adorable! His (and Harry's) good looks add weight to the arguments in favour of cousins inter-marrying - strengthening the good traits, absolutely!

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Date: 2003-06-26 09:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pipolina.livejournal.com
Sooo cute! I want a baby myself *cries*

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Date: 2003-06-26 09:25 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] jiggery-pokery.livejournal.com
Awww :-)

*bounces fluffily*

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Date: 2003-06-26 10:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mars-daydream.livejournal.com
He is ADORABLE!!! *squeee*

Hugs to you all. Thanks for the picture. :)

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Date: 2003-06-26 10:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hermorrine.livejournal.com
Such a cutie!!

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Date: 2003-06-26 10:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] annearchy.livejournal.com
Mein Gott in Himmel, that's a HUGE baby. Oh wait. *adjusts screen resolution* Much better now. Still a big (and beautiful) baby though. SQUEEEEEE! Thanks for sharing him with us, Heidi. He and Harry have a gazillion Internet Aunties, don't they? :-)

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Date: 2003-06-26 11:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] guardian-writer.livejournal.com
awww cute baby!
Hey anneu53714, i love your icon!

Guardian

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Date: 2003-06-26 02:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] annearchy.livejournal.com
Thanks! I got it from Harry Potter and the Chamber of Icons. After reading OotP this weekend, this one just jumped out at me and broke my heart, so I had to use it.

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Date: 2003-06-26 11:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sundancekid.livejournal.com
Heidi fics are good. :D

And, as far as I know, as long as you're not double cousins, it's fine, both legally and genetically. Of course, generations of inbreeding is no good, as it leads to royalty... ;)

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Date: 2003-06-26 01:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] andrewb.livejournal.com
Um yeah forgive my manners, but belated congratulations. Does he already have legal aspirations? :)

As you can guess, the fandom has unfortunately taken a backseat this month due to summer employment.

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Date: 2003-06-26 04:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snarkattack.livejournal.com
I didn't find the fact that Sirius and Narcissa were "kissing cousins" nearly as amusing as the fact that Ron Weasley and Draco Malfoy are related (albeit distantly)...

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Date: 2003-06-26 05:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] melieltathariel.livejournal.com
That would be just like the Black family.

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Date: 2003-06-27 05:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] terig.livejournal.com
Oh, the cousin thing totally doesn't squick me. There's a lot of that going on in my family too a few generations back. :D

The baby picture is adorable. Jon is so cute!

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Date: 2003-06-28 02:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] txt-eva.livejournal.com
AWWWWWWWWWWWW!!! Lil ickle babey!!! *wants to hug lil babey!*

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