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[heidi]

I just read on someone's Blog that as her fic is not ademantly Ron/Hermione, she can archive it on FictionAlley.

Do people honestly think that FictionAlley doesn't host fics that are Ron/Hermione?

If so, why do you think that way?

Does the fact that such a conclusion it totally inaccurate affect your thought process at all?

Comments

[skalja.livejournal.com]

How odd. When FA was first launched, I remember finding the atmosphere distinctly unslashy (not in an 'eww, slash' way; the preponderance of het shippers was just overwhelming to a Snapeland/Bohemia fanresident) and quite mainstream. Now I find it generally more versatile, although I still don't go into the actual fic archives there without some kind of rec to point the way, whether I'm looking for gen, het, or slash - Heidi, how much of the slash which ends up at FA isn't Harry/Draco or some other 'mainstream' slash pairing, do you know?

[heidi8.livejournal.com]

Well, we have a lot of Seamus/Dean and Percy/Oliver and yes, even a few Lucius/Draco fics - and a reasonable number of Snape/Harry and a few dozen femmeslash fics - and I think at least some of that is nonmainstream. But of course, we'd host it, whatever it was, as long as it wasn't NC-17.

[heidi8.livejournal.com]

Just musing briefly about the difference between both of your uses of "mainstream" - I think I've read so much now that I can't even fathom what would be mainstream and what wouldn't.

I mean, Taradiane, what would Lily/James be to you? What about Percy/Oliver? Sirius/Remus? Mainstream, or no? I mean, I know SQ professors who ship Sirius/Remus and I regularly see threads there praising it (deservedly so :) ) but is it truly mainstream?

And Tinderblast, what is Snape/Harry? Mainstream yet, or no? Clearly, Oliver/Riddle would be not mainstream under anyone's definition, but what about Sirius/James? FA has a thread for the Remus/Draco ship, but most of the fics for that seem to involve Draco trying to get better marks in class.....

[hermorrine.livejournal.com]

Maybe I'm just weird - haha, I know I am but anyway - but I've always thought of FA as the place for ALL ships, since the day I found it about a year ago. :)

And my only fic currently showcasing my love for Ron/Hermione is on FictionAlley and NOWHERE else. *scowls at clueless people*

[flourish.livejournal.com]

*cries*

Where do people get these things?!

[queerasjohn.livejournal.com]

*snaps latex glove and holds up evidence*

I think I've figured it out. :\

[effervescent.livejournal.com]

I'm fairly new (just came to FA and FAP in October), so I can tell you how I saw things when I first got here - I read somewhere that Sugar Quill was for fics that were mainly R/Hr or OBHWF, and that Fiction Alley was put as an alternative to it and fanfiction.net. So you kind of get the impression from that that FA is for other fics. But I learned really quickly from the boards and looking at fics hosted that it wasn't true. Maybe if you added that to the Newbie Guide somewhere? Or put it on the "Submit fics" page? Saying that you accept any ship, pretty much?

I don't think the majority of people have that impression, by the way - if they go to the boards at all they'll see that lots of fics are accepted.

[heidi8.livejournal.com]

But I learned really quickly from the boards and looking at fics hosted that it wasn't true. Maybe if you added that to the Newbie Guide somewhere? Or put it on the "Submit fics" page? Saying that you accept any ship, pretty much?
It actually says that right on the front page - fanfic of all shapes, sizes and SHIPs - but if you missed it, others might/must be as well - so perhaps we should add it onto the headers, at least, for the Park pages? Not sure if we can without mucking up the "name" of the park but it's worth a try...

[sheron]

I don't know that that's necessary. After all as long as the site doesn't say "we're biased towards this and this" or "we forbid this and that" it's pretty much assumed the stuff is accepted. I've assumed from the start that FA hosts anything as long as it's not NC-17. Maybe that's just me though. *shrug*

[ambtiondata.livejournal.com]

FictionAlley was the first big site I went to in the HP fandom, and before FA I only read a few fics hosted at various authors' private websites. Basically, when I came to FA I was such an utter t00b I didn't know there was such a thing as ship exclusive websites-- I started out assuming FA was open to everything, and nothing has ever led me to believe otherwise. It's a funny thing; with ship wars it seems that everyone's either overreacting, or assuming that everyone else is.

I am proud to be a submarine.

[ashavah]

Don't get me wrong on this, Heidi, I think you are amazing and I love that FictionAlley is an all ships, all fics (R and under) site.

But I think it comes from teh attitude that some people have on FA: the one of "ooh, R/H 'shippers, evil". You knwo, the one that thinks all SugarQuillers are snooty and can lead to inter-site flame wars. Now, I know thsoe people exist in all 'ships. But I think because FA is bigger, it has more of them, although they may be in the same proportions, and peopel tend to notice the people who cause trouble. Therefore, I think FA has a reputation for hating SQ and therefore, Ron/Hermione.

Which, from a site policy and many of the members' perspective, is rubbish. After all, this SQ Forum Ghost is an autumn Niffler.

:-)

Yours in fanfiction,

JK

[heidi8.livejournal.com]

But I think it comes from teh attitude that some people have on FA: the one of "ooh, R/H 'shippers, evil". You knwo, the one that thinks all SugarQuillers are snooty and can lead to inter-site flame wars. Now, I know thsoe people exist in all 'ships. But I think because FA is bigger, it has more of them, although they may be in the same proportions, and peopel tend to notice the people who cause trouble. Therefore, I think FA has a reputation for hating SQ and therefore, Ron/Hermione.
Which makes no sense for a few reasons:
1. One of the first fics we asked to host on FA was After the End. They said no. They said they didn't want to archive any of their fics on FA at that point, and we've asked since and they're still not interested.
2. One of the first people we asked to host her fics on the nonschnoogle houses is a Professor at Sugarquill - she said yes (although we still don't have all her stuff and would love to).
3. I regularly ask R/H shippers to submit fics to FA - many have done so, but others have given various explanations for why they won't - sometimes they're writing in other fanfic authors' universes and the underlying story isn't hosted on FA.
4. We have not only R/H shippers among the nifflers - we have them on the mod squad! A number of them! More R/H than H/H these days, I think (if you take H/H to mean Harry/Hermione, because if you add on Simon's Harry/Hedwig shipping, the numbers are actually equal).

But besides that - we have fifteen thousand registered users on FA. And yes, there is the Deathmarch thread, which was started by users who wanted to debate, and who are not permitted to do so on the SCUSA threads, where R/H supporters (including those who discuss what they plan to post over on the GoodShip LJ and on at least one thread on Sugarquill (we'll leave the violation of the copyright section of FA's ToU for another day)) and H/H supporters debate - but nobody is forced to play there. In fact, nobody is forced to read it - it's tucked away and only those who are interested in seeking it out can really find it in the first place. We have dozens of other threads which are controversial - including whether disliking slash is homophobic, and whether the movie is canon, and the amount of debate that goes on in the Who Should Be Cast As Sirius and Remus threads is just mind boggling, as are some of the discussions in the writers' corner thread about things like original characters.

I would love to have more fics of every ship - I wish that more people treated FA as what it is was designed to be - a massive archive of everything that is grammatically correct in the Harry Potter fandom.

[quire.livejournal.com]

Newish to FA (since around this June-ish) and as I ran across it pretty randomly and not through another site, I don't think I heard anything about it being somehow not friendly towards R/Hr... in fact, since I've been here, I've found FA to be very open to all ships. Good stuff.

[callie-donia.livejournal.com]

The whole reason why I joined F.A. was because I could find all the SHIPS. So, I got the messege clear. :D

~Caledonia a.k.a Remus's Nymph

[powersh20works.livejournal.com]

When I arrived at SQ for the first time, I felt confronted with a very "Weasley power! R/H and H/G and Weasleys!" feel. I'd arrived at FA long before that; I didn't see any exclusion, but I did not see as much R/H as other pairings (but it may simply have been where I was looking.) So upon seeing SQ for the first time, I thought: "Ah. Here are all the R/H fics."

If there's a "R/H belongs on SQ" stigma, I think it comes more from the fact that new fandom members see the Weasley-devoted SQ and assume that's where the R/H is supposed to go. For me, that faulty assumption had nothing to do with FA.

[heidi8.livejournal.com]

They're certainly the most comprehensive archive of Weasleyana*, which is a useful thing to be. But there's a leap of logic from *they host all the R/H fics they can* to *FA won't host any R/H fics* that seems, well, leap-ish. I guess what I don't understand, also, is why people don't want their fics on as many archives as possible - two years ago, that was considered a good thing in the fandom, and it was somewhat rude to refuse to archive your fic if someone asked you. But things do change.


*for some reason that term is on my mind today, possibly because I just read an article about Disneyana (Disney merchandise and adulation) and was pondering the fact that while Weasleyana sounds good, Potterana sounds pathetic and Malfoyana just gets very confusing in deciding which syllable to put the emphasis on.

[powersh20works.livejournal.com]

A leap, yes. Not unimagineable, though.

While Malfoyana and Potterana (which, well, reminds me of Pollyanna too much to ignore) aren't quite a fitting set of terms as Weasleyana, there are worse. Bustrodana requires that you drop an 'e' and reads as "odd" instead of "ode." Ravenclawana has an abrupt shift from "aw" to "aa".

[melieltathariel.livejournal.com]

Well, the famous fics are kind of less R/H-ish. Maybe it's because Cassie hates R/H?

[heidi8.livejournal.com]

: boggles

Cassie? You mean She Who Only Deals With Park Stuff These Days?

Gah! Apart from the fact that she's only one of pushing 100 staffers...

She has *nothing to do with the fic acceptance process*! Nothing at all.

[thegraybook.livejournal.com]

Since when did I represent FA?

*amused*

Also, fics are varyingly famous depending on your perspective. After the End is a famous fic in its own quarters.

[samantha543.livejournal.com]

The Sugar Quill was my first taste of fanfiction. I thought it was the site. When surfing the message boards there, FA was rarely mentioned, and when it was it usually was in a topic concerning H/Hr. I basically assumed it was where the H/Hr shippers go, and had no idea how open-minded about ships and how huge it is.

Of course, I know better now. But when you aren't really exposed that much to the fandom, it's an easy mistake to make.