heidi: (meh)
[personal profile] heidi
Oh, this is just kind of ewwwy. I mean, obviously, they had to do something with the silver they found, but it should've just entered the general coinage circulation, anonymously. Not as this.

In other news, did anyone see the thing about the Bush administration's plan to cut Homeland Security's budget next year, when they get a new Director?
The White House put government agencies on notice this month that if Bush is reelected, his budget for 2006 may include $2.3 billion in spending cuts from virtually all domestic programs not mandated by law, including education, homeland security and others central to Bush's campaign.


Between that and the testimony from Michael F. Scheuer, the former chief of the agency's bin Laden unit that, three years after the Sept. 11 attacks on New York and the Pentagon, the Central Intelligence Agency has fewer experienced case officers assigned to its headquarters unit dealing with Osama bin Laden than it did at the time of the attacks, despite repeated pleas from the unit's leaders for reinforcements, and that there has been no "systematic effort to groom Al Qaeda expertise" among C.I.A. officers since Sept. 11, 2001, I now, officially, do not feel safer, thanks.

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Date: 2004-09-15 01:07 pm (UTC)
ext_14294: A redhead an a couple of cats. (harpies by JaCk)
From: [identity profile] ashkitty.livejournal.com
I saw that silver coin on the Daily Show last night. Lewis Black played the commercial for it, and when it was over he just sat there...there just wasn't anything to say about it.

How tacky can you BE? :p

Tacky!

Date: 2004-09-15 01:19 pm (UTC)
ancarett: Change the World - Jack Layton's Last Letter (Spider-Man 2 base by suzvoy)
From: [personal profile] ancarett
Yes, that was a stand-out moment for the evening coming on the heels of so many appalling "Patriot Day" ads and merchandise moments.

/headbonk

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Date: 2004-09-15 01:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] laughingirl.livejournal.com
Yeah, I've seen the commercials for those coins on TV and was sort of offended...

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Date: 2004-09-15 01:12 pm (UTC)
ceilidh: (Not a man!)
From: [personal profile] ceilidh
I saw an ad for those coins on TV this weekend and was absolutely appalled.

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Date: 2004-09-15 01:34 pm (UTC)
ext_9390: My Phoebers! :D  (Default)
From: [identity profile] chickadilly.livejournal.com
Yeah. I think I saw the same ad and had the same reaction. Very very tacky and just all out disturbing.

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Date: 2004-09-15 07:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bibliophile81.livejournal.com
I saw that ad, too. I had the urge to hit things. Well, not so much things as the people who wrote that ad.

CIA

Date: 2004-09-15 01:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selinakyle47.livejournal.com
Well that's...interesting. Is it possible that Al Qaeda analysts are being trained at other agencies instead of at the CIA? Because that just doesn't make sense.

Re: CIA

Date: 2004-09-15 01:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] heidi8.livejournal.com
The defense department has its own intelligence division and budget, but it's something that the CIA is supposed to be dealing with, and has said, in fact, that they're dealing with. But, um, maybe not?

Re: CIA

Date: 2004-09-15 02:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selinakyle47.livejournal.com
Alright, so I did a bit of searching on Google and found an article in the San Francisco Chronicle which gives a bit more detail on the current state of US intelligence-gathering abilities. Here's an section on where funds earmarked for intelligence spending go to:

"Most of that money, perhaps three-fourths, goes to agencies under the Defense Department that are involved largely in the most expensive activities, electronic surveillance and reconnaissance -- not human intelligence gathering and covert operations, which many analysts say the agencies need to concentrate on more."

Interesting, to say the least.

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Date: 2004-09-15 01:28 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2004-09-15 01:32 pm (UTC)
ext_6866: (Pica loquax certa dominum te voce saluto)
From: [identity profile] sistermagpie.livejournal.com
I now, officially, do not feel safer, thanks.

Personally, I think the last thing this Administration wants anybody to feel is safe.

Those coins are really something. Verrry classy.

Words cannot express, btw, the way I hate the name "Patriot Day," since lately that word has come to mean, "Agree with us or you're a traitor."

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Date: 2004-09-15 03:29 pm (UTC)
zorb: (Crookshanks)
From: [personal profile] zorb
Words cannot express, btw, the way I hate the name "Patriot Day"

I didn't even know it'd been created until I turned my calendar on that day. Tore the page off right away even though it was still the 11th.

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Date: 2004-09-15 04:27 pm (UTC)
ext_6866: (Sigh.  Monet)
From: [identity profile] sistermagpie.livejournal.com
I didn't know either-then I turned to that page in my pocket calendar, stared at it and wrote WTF??

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Date: 2004-09-15 01:34 pm (UTC)
ext_7484: Erato_Original (Default)
From: [identity profile] evil-erato.livejournal.com
Wow. No comment on the coins. o_O The International Spy Museum apparently has pieces of the planes that hit the WTC on display now - I heard the commercial last Friday and was absolutely appalled. I can't describe the commercial, but it gave me the willies.

Do you have a link for the budget cuts? I hadn't seen that anywhere, and I'd like to show my dad to add fuel to his growing dislike of Bush. :D

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Date: 2004-09-15 01:42 pm (UTC)
ext_7484: Erato_Original (Default)
From: [identity profile] evil-erato.livejournal.com
Excellent! Thanks so much! :)

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Date: 2004-09-16 08:29 am (UTC)
phoenixsong: An orange bird with red, orange and yellow wings outstretched, in front of a red heart. (angry)
From: [personal profile] phoenixsong
I heard that commercial too! Sunday, on 107.3 FM.

On the one hand, I can't find it in me to be too upset that they have the pieces.

On the other hand, yes, the commercial was just...just...ugh. Painful?

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Date: 2004-09-15 01:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-ms-katoni171.livejournal.com
And just when I thought the depths of tackiness had been reached with the Wackel-Elvis...


Disturbs me more than I can say. It's not even to raise money for the victims' families, is it? Pure profit out of death.

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Date: 2004-09-15 01:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] narcissam.livejournal.com
Those coins creeped me out.

I didn't know what to say on September 11th. I wanted to say something in memory of the dead, but the sheer amount of tackiness and posturing made me feel sick.

Also, I couldn't help feeling very sad when someone pointed me to "We are all Americans now" headline from September 12, 2001, and it really clicked for me how quickly that united grieving was swept away by politics. September 11 isn't about remembering the dead, it seems, for so many people. It's either an occasion for political grandstanding or ghoulish souvenir selling.

What is Patriot Day? I'm a Canadian, of course, so I haven't heard 'Patriot Day' yet.

NM

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Date: 2004-09-15 02:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ashesofautumn.livejournal.com
Patriot Day is a new national, um, "holiday" that they've placed on September 11. Which seems just as tacky as the coins.

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Date: 2004-09-15 02:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] narcissam.livejournal.com
*desk hits head*

Oh for heaven's sake. And I was just saying to [livejournal.com profile] risti the other day that maybe sometime in the future it'd be nice to make September 11th into a memorial day for the victims of terrorism everywhere.

But no, it's *Patriot* Day. For Americans.

Nice way to go closing the rest of the world out.

NM

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Date: 2004-09-15 02:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ashesofautumn.livejournal.com
Memorial Day here, in May, has already been reduced to a nice way to get a three-day weekend. I see the same thing happening in the US (I don't know how it goes in any other country) if September 11 became a memorial day for the victims of terrorism everywhere. The thought makes me cringe.

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Date: 2004-09-15 06:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] narcissam.livejournal.com
Hmmm... must be an American thing. Oh dear, I'm slipping into Canadian snobbery and I've promised myself often enough not to. But here we have November 11th, Remembrance Day, for the casualties of war, instead of Memorial Day, and it's still pretty much a solemnly observed event. But then it's not tied to a weekend.

NM

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Date: 2004-09-16 07:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] laleonaenojada.livejournal.com
11/11 is Veteran's Day in the US ... somewhat different from Remembrance Day as it's more intended to celebrate the people that came back alive from the war ... but it is fairly generally disregarded both by the regular citizenry and the media ... unless there is a veteran's protest, etc. in DC ...

~A

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Date: 2004-09-15 02:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] no-remorse.livejournal.com
The silver dollar is tres tacky and

and the testimony from Michael F. Scheuer, the former chief of the agency's bin Laden unit that, three years after the Sept. 11 attacks on New York and the Pentagon, the Central Intelligence Agency has fewer experienced case officers assigned to its headquarters unit dealing with Osama bin Laden than it did at the time of the attacks, despite repeated pleas from the unit's leaders for reinforcements, and that there has been no "systematic effort to groom Al Qaeda expertise" among C.I.A. officers since Sept. 11, 2001,

WTF?

*re-reads paragraph*

So let me get this straight, the US government spends billions of dollars to create a Homeland Security Department, starts expensive wars with two countries "because of their ties to Al Qaeda" while assigning fewer CIA agents on the case of Osama Bin Laden and not even trying to groom some expertise on these terrorists????

*blink*

*blink*

No, the paragraph still says this.

(no subject)

Date: 2004-09-15 02:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ari-o.livejournal.com
That is creeepy! (yes, with three e's)

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Date: 2004-09-15 02:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hedwig-snowy.livejournal.com
Kind of makes you wonder why the NYPD put it's support behind Bush? As a veteran, I know he's no big supporter of us (cuts in VA health care). He certainly has to do something to pay for his tax cuts...oh wait...it's us that are going to pay for them...

Have only seen that ad on Fox News. I wonder why anyone would buy it???? Ghoulish!

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Date: 2004-09-15 03:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scarfie.livejournal.com
Oh wow! I can own my very own piece of ghoulish terrorism merchandise! It could be a family heirloom! We could frame it and put it on the wall!

How disgusting.

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Date: 2004-09-15 07:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bibliophile81.livejournal.com
My grandfather has a photo of the Towers, immediately after they were hit (i.e. black smoke billowing everywhere), on his living room wall.

I wonder about my family sometimes. *sighs*

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Date: 2004-09-15 04:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] slytherincesss.livejournal.com
You know? I saw those coins on an infomercial-like ad. I was really put off. I think it would have been far more appropriate to have just quietly recirculated them.

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Date: 2004-09-15 05:47 pm (UTC)
sheron: RAF bi-plane doodle (Johns) (red cardinal)
From: [personal profile] sheron
Who came up with the coins idea? Can you imagine actually getting one as change? Disturbing.

Also, the whole descimation of HomeLand security for some odd reason reminds me of what Stalin did right before WWII. (He killed or fired all the experienced army personel). I'm probably reminded of it because I just recently talked to my grandfather who fought in the WWII but in any case, it makes no sense.

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Date: 2004-09-15 06:54 pm (UTC)
ext_3663: picture of sheldon cooper from the big bang theory sitting down and staring at leonard with a smug/gauging look (Um)
From: [identity profile] jennilee.livejournal.com
Unlike almost everyone else, I don't really see the coins as "bad." Actually, I don't think it's even that bad of an idea. It does encourage people to remember and never get, y'know? I guess the thing that *does* put me off is the advertising and the marketing for it and oh, send us this much money and we'll send you a shiny dollar! But in that ad, they seem so gung ho over how it's actually from the WT site instead of the message the coins are trying to convey.

(no subject)

Date: 2004-09-15 07:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flyby.livejournal.com
After today's events in Parliament (a group of pro-hunting protesters managed to get onto the floor of the Chamber and assault some MPs), I am suspecting that the current threat level may have been overplayed by our respective governments. If the Countryside Alliance could get in, then terrorists could have too. And yet they didn't.

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Date: 2004-09-15 07:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sff-corgi.livejournal.com
The Marianas and some other small nations, can't think of which off the top of my head, will frequently issue American-themed 'collectors' stamps and coins. Somebody issued a whole series of Trek Classic stamps a few years ago, for instance. Apparently it really is a major source of national income!

(Doesn't make it any less tacky. They did Diana stuff, too.)

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