The Meme of Ten
Nov. 20th, 2003 12:56 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
heidiTen opinions that I hold or have held which may not be held by many others in the fandom?
1. You shouldn't write fanfic if you haven't read the books. (I held this opinion circa 2001)
I used to be very very irked by people who wrote Harry Potter fanfic without having read any of the books; I would see a fic that placed James Potter and Tom Riddle in the same year, and I would say, "Meh!" Now, it doesn't bother me as much, but it still is a bit of a pet peeve. You don't have to love all the characters or even all the books, and I do understand why some people read the fanfic without having read all the books or listened to the audio versions, but I don't really understand why someone would want to write fanfic or read copious amounts of it, without having enjoyed at least one of the HP books.
2. It's fine to write posts and/or fanfic in Netspeak.
While I'm not bothered by using "0" as a replacement for "o", or things in netspeak or l33t when they're (a) on LJ, (b) brief in nature and (c) clearly meant in good fun and bereft of seriousness, I despair when I see such things in actual discussion threads or (even worse) in a fic. Put it in your sigfile; don't make me translate your post to see the point you're trying to make.
3. If you want to discuss the books, discuss the books.
Book discussion written in role-play style is another thing that I have to more or less translate before I can see the point someone is trying to make. Yes, I think it is possible to make a point or an argument about canon using narrative (fanfics do it all the time) or in a role-play, but it sets up one additional level that I have to parse through to reach the argument, and I really don't see the point of it. At least if I'm reading a good fanfic or an RPG that admits to being an RPG, I can enjoy it for the story contained therein, even if I'm not interested in the argument being made.
And speaking of things where I don't really care about the arguments...
4. The R/Hr vs H/Hr thread on FA, and the "I Hate H/Hr" and "I Hate R/Hr" threads? I. Hate. Them.
Yes, FA hosts them. No, I don't enjoy reading them at all. Look, I didn't even see Ron's interest in Hermione in GoF before I started reading posts on HPfGU professing that he was crushing on her, so clearly, my initial reads of the books were pretty much devoid of focus on the romance-stuff. And I still think that ship debates are the cause of more angst, agiata and animosity than any subject that doesn't even have an answer yet deserves to have.
5. FFN and the Evil That Lurks There
Why do people post their fics on FFN? WHY? WHY? WHY? Apart from all the reasons that I think FFN is a bad place (their nonresponsiveness to their users is a big buggaboo for me, as are their seemingly capricious rule changes) I know that it's completely self-centered of me to want people to not post their fics there - and the reason is because I cannot read fics on FFN on my Sidekick at all. Post to FA. And if you hate FA, then post to Skyhawke, LJ, Pumpkin Pie, SQ, UR.net - put it in the FILES for the HP_Fanfiction Yahoogroup. Just not on FFN. And if you want to put it on FFN for a public beta or something, fine, but make sure that when you hand the URLs around, you don't only give the FFN one. Because if you do, I, and I'm sure others, will *never ever read it*.
6. We ARE All Reading The Same Book.
We are. Really.
7. Gacked from![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
viola_dreamwalk, "I don't believe that slash, het and gen are or should be separate 'genres.' I'm not too fond of classifying fics by ship, either. If a story is entirely determined by who's sleeping with whom, you're doing something wrong."
8. People who delete their FA activation emails, which requires us to send them new ones, sometimes 5, 6, 7 times in a week, are utter t00bs.
9. There were some great fanfics written before you joined the fandom; go read some of the oldies and see what the cliches looked like when they were shiny, new and not overdone.
10. I'm upset with myself, because I haven't had time this year to reinvigorate The Unexpected Task. Perhaps it would work better as an LJ community?
And speaking of LJ communities, look for some news from FA about communities and codes. Also, is anyone interested in being inspired by![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-community.gif)
50bookchallenge and doing a 50 Film Challenge in 2004? I'll create a community if I know it'll have interest and posters...
Also, when I was installing WINXP earlier this week, I found the Very First Trailer from PS/SS, from back in Spring, 2001. I remember wondering along with everyone else who Draco was turning his head to, and who was slamming the door down and why Dudley had dark hair and just how joyous Harry looked, leaping on the table to get one of those ruddy letters. Has everyone seen it? Those of you who came into the fandom after PS/SS was released, did you ever get a chance to see the early trailers?
1. You shouldn't write fanfic if you haven't read the books. (I held this opinion circa 2001)
I used to be very very irked by people who wrote Harry Potter fanfic without having read any of the books; I would see a fic that placed James Potter and Tom Riddle in the same year, and I would say, "Meh!" Now, it doesn't bother me as much, but it still is a bit of a pet peeve. You don't have to love all the characters or even all the books, and I do understand why some people read the fanfic without having read all the books or listened to the audio versions, but I don't really understand why someone would want to write fanfic or read copious amounts of it, without having enjoyed at least one of the HP books.
2. It's fine to write posts and/or fanfic in Netspeak.
While I'm not bothered by using "0" as a replacement for "o", or things in netspeak or l33t when they're (a) on LJ, (b) brief in nature and (c) clearly meant in good fun and bereft of seriousness, I despair when I see such things in actual discussion threads or (even worse) in a fic. Put it in your sigfile; don't make me translate your post to see the point you're trying to make.
3. If you want to discuss the books, discuss the books.
Book discussion written in role-play style is another thing that I have to more or less translate before I can see the point someone is trying to make. Yes, I think it is possible to make a point or an argument about canon using narrative (fanfics do it all the time) or in a role-play, but it sets up one additional level that I have to parse through to reach the argument, and I really don't see the point of it. At least if I'm reading a good fanfic or an RPG that admits to being an RPG, I can enjoy it for the story contained therein, even if I'm not interested in the argument being made.
And speaking of things where I don't really care about the arguments...
4. The R/Hr vs H/Hr thread on FA, and the "I Hate H/Hr" and "I Hate R/Hr" threads? I. Hate. Them.
Yes, FA hosts them. No, I don't enjoy reading them at all. Look, I didn't even see Ron's interest in Hermione in GoF before I started reading posts on HPfGU professing that he was crushing on her, so clearly, my initial reads of the books were pretty much devoid of focus on the romance-stuff. And I still think that ship debates are the cause of more angst, agiata and animosity than any subject that doesn't even have an answer yet deserves to have.
5. FFN and the Evil That Lurks There
Why do people post their fics on FFN? WHY? WHY? WHY? Apart from all the reasons that I think FFN is a bad place (their nonresponsiveness to their users is a big buggaboo for me, as are their seemingly capricious rule changes) I know that it's completely self-centered of me to want people to not post their fics there - and the reason is because I cannot read fics on FFN on my Sidekick at all. Post to FA. And if you hate FA, then post to Skyhawke, LJ, Pumpkin Pie, SQ, UR.net - put it in the FILES for the HP_Fanfiction Yahoogroup. Just not on FFN. And if you want to put it on FFN for a public beta or something, fine, but make sure that when you hand the URLs around, you don't only give the FFN one. Because if you do, I, and I'm sure others, will *never ever read it*.
6. We ARE All Reading The Same Book.
We are. Really.
7. Gacked from
viola_dreamwalk, "I don't believe that slash, het and gen are or should be separate 'genres.' I'm not too fond of classifying fics by ship, either. If a story is entirely determined by who's sleeping with whom, you're doing something wrong."8. People who delete their FA activation emails, which requires us to send them new ones, sometimes 5, 6, 7 times in a week, are utter t00bs.
9. There were some great fanfics written before you joined the fandom; go read some of the oldies and see what the cliches looked like when they were shiny, new and not overdone.
10. I'm upset with myself, because I haven't had time this year to reinvigorate The Unexpected Task. Perhaps it would work better as an LJ community?
And speaking of LJ communities, look for some news from FA about communities and codes. Also, is anyone interested in being inspired by
50bookchallenge and doing a 50 Film Challenge in 2004? I'll create a community if I know it'll have interest and posters...Also, when I was installing WINXP earlier this week, I found the Very First Trailer from PS/SS, from back in Spring, 2001. I remember wondering along with everyone else who Draco was turning his head to, and who was slamming the door down and why Dudley had dark hair and just how joyous Harry looked, leaping on the table to get one of those ruddy letters. Has everyone seen it? Those of you who came into the fandom after PS/SS was released, did you ever get a chance to see the early trailers?
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Date: 2003-11-20 10:22 am (UTC)speaking of which, were people horrified with the choice of Daniel as Harry? Or Rupert as Ron? And so on and so on...?
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Date: 2003-11-20 12:13 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2003-11-20 10:40 am (UTC)I really don't think I can post it to FA. I don't hate FA. I just don't think it's going to fly there.
I really don't want to submit it to a second set of editors, and also, parts of it are...not quite erotica proper, because the sex is all subordinate to the plot, but because the sex is all part of the storyline, it's not excisable. And some of it is kink. Alastor and Dylan are edgeplayers. (And yet there are entire arcs of it where there's not any sex at all. I sometimes have trouble getting people to read this fic sometimes for the following reasons: it's het, it's slash, AND it's gen; it has lots of OC's and minor canon characters who might well be OC's; it's AU since June 21; and it's long and WiPpy.)
Some people say it's R and their rationale for this seems to be "well, yes, it's got moving body parts connecting with other moving body parts...and it's even got bizarre uses for Unforgivable curses and blood play...but it's so preeeeeeeeeeeetty, and whole sections of it are utterly gen..." Some people say it really, really is a very well-done and artistic NC17 in places. Verity said so, and I trust her. If you personally or someone else I knew wanted to look at it (I know you're very busy), that'd be fine but I really don't want to just toss it out in the void to anyone that I don't...and if the answer was no, then no it would be, cause I just don't see myself making an edited for television version.
Technically it's not supposed to be on FFN any more, but no one has ever looked or at least no one has ever complained. I don't care if FFN yanks my account too much, frankly...I just put it there because other people who don't want to bother with signing up for my yahoogroup can find it there. Anyhow, the reason I still post to FFN is because I get neat emails from there sometimes.
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Date: 2003-11-20 04:23 pm (UTC)shoppingfanfic-reading site will stumble across, read, and enjoy something a little more "out there" than they otherwise would. And that's a good thing.Anyhow, the reason I still post to FFN is because I get neat emails from there sometimes.
Ooh, like what?
Btw - my account there was deleted, and I was never told why. And the only thing I had up there then was Homage. So I can only assume that they really did define plagiarism to include "quoting extensively from things in the public domain, and giving full credit to the author of same," which is just weird.
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Date: 2003-11-20 10:58 am (UTC)*blink blink*
love, lore
P.S. - AGREED!
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Date: 2003-11-20 04:24 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2003-11-20 12:05 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2003-11-20 04:24 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2003-11-20 12:20 pm (UTC)Amen to that. Could not have said it in any better way.
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Date: 2003-11-20 04:24 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2003-11-20 12:40 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2003-11-20 01:15 pm (UTC)Uhuh, me neither! And I am STILL fevourishly hoping that JKR will never include any trio romance in the series. Well, she could probably do it convincingly, but... I just don't see it.
I'd be interested in a 50 film challange.
Only 50 books?!?!
Date: 2003-11-20 01:36 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2003-11-20 02:10 pm (UTC)And :P as #9 does not certainly apply to me.
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Date: 2003-11-20 04:22 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2003-11-20 04:25 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2003-11-20 06:59 pm (UTC)I totally agree with this! I am tired of being fucking classified! And I am particularly tired of people who won't read my fic because of a particular pairing they're not into. I feel like saying, "well it's not really about that..."
I will read a story if it's good. I don't care who you pair or who you don't.
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Date: 2003-11-20 09:13 pm (UTC):D
4. The R/Hr vs H/Hr thread on FA, and the "I Hate H/Hr" and "I Hate R/Hr" threads? I. Hate. Them.
So do I. I don't see why the fandom has to fuel such animosity and it gets to a point where I have finally decided "who really cares?" I might be an H/Hr shipper, but that doesn't mean I feel like defending or bringing down any other ships because of it.
>:D
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Date: 2003-11-20 09:50 pm (UTC)Now here's a challenge I can meet if not exceed. I'm a movie whore. Count me in.
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Date: 2003-11-21 09:31 am (UTC)*needs to get a life*
Shaz
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Date: 2003-11-22 06:45 am (UTC)Also, I did see the original PS trailers, but I had not read the books at that point, so I don't think I thought much besides, "Hmm, a film already?" (being under the impression that the series began in 1999, or thereabouts).
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Date: 2003-11-25 05:39 am (UTC)We're reading the same book? Really? I never would have guessed.
Nyk.