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[heidi]

My favorite quote of the day:
Chris Columbus in the Leaky Cauldron interview yesterday:
...Peter Travers in Rolling Stone said, 'I can't criticize this movie, because it's so corporate.' And I'm thinking, you have people, Oscar-winning production designers, cameramen, myself, just busting their chops to get this film done, and you're saying it's a corporate machine. It's just not the case...


I think this is close to the same thing I think when people say that FA is too clean, too corporate, when we've got all these talented and artistic people busting their chops to make a site that's fun and easy to use. Of course, the film has the added issue of being a product of AOL-TW, which is one of the larger and more hated companies in the world... which of course FA doesn't have as an issue, but it's more the feeling. I don't know, I feel like that quote sometimes.

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[ari-o.livejournal.com]

*does dance of the seven veils in homage to FA*

best site on the internet dammit

[melieltathariel.livejournal.com]

Isn't that the stripping dance?

nekkid in public

[ari-o.livejournal.com]

is that a problem?

actually i think it is more of a tease...

Re: nekkid in public

[cedarlibrarian.livejournal.com]

Actually, if you watch the opera "Salome," by my favorite composer Richard Strauss (no, it's not Hector Berlioz, contrary to popular belief), it's an enticement to get Salome what she wants from her father, who likes her a little more than the average father should. To make a really long opera short, if I remember correctly, King Herod says to Salome, "Do a dance for me and you can have whatever you want." Then comes the Dance of the Seven Veils, which is what makes Salome such a hard role to cast: You have to have someone that can sing it AND dance it. It's pretty much a striptease. Then, Salome says, "I want the head of John the Baptist," and she gets it, and she kisses it, and the opera ends shortly thereafter.

But enough of that.

If being on-topic all the time, moderated, supportive, etc. makes FA corporate, I say bring it on. I love FA for its lack of all things netspeak, one-liner, and generally stupid. A fandom as huge as this needs moderation and a little smackdown sometimes. Corporations get things done. Sometimes there's just no way around it. Everyone screaming about "corporate this and corporate that is evil, yada yada yada" can take themselves and go live in a hut in the Hundred Acre Wood.

Oooh, harsh. And maybe a little too straightforward. But honest.

Re: nekkid in public

[praetorianguard.livejournal.com]

Just for fun, Salome's father (King Herod, of all people) orders her crushed between the shields of his soldiers. That's just the icing on the cake, isn't it?

And you should have seen the guy who played John the Baptist in a loincloth when I saw Salome in LA a few years ago. Wow. It may have ruined all other Salomes.

And the fun historical note for the day: Richard Strauss said that the fifth veil definitely comes off, but he kind of threw up his hands after that. Now, since we are in less restrictive times, all seven come off.

Amy, who compliments cedar85 on having very, very good taste in music

Re: nekkid in public

[ari-o.livejournal.com]

*nods*

haven't had coffee. but yes - I have hear Salome many times. never seen it though. And er, I knew Salome danced - had no idea her dance was the dance of the seven veils. must reserach this methinks.

and anyway - I stiil love FA enough to do said dance even if it means being nekkid in public. And I have to say I am rather modest. Not at all the sort who would do that anyway.

How come...

[terig.livejournal.com]

Everytime someone does something that is creative, but is gorgeously done and works very well that it's considered "corporate" or "commercial"? It takes more than money to produce good work and something to be proud of. It takes dedication, talent, time and effort. People seem to like to dis well done products by calling it corproate or commercial. It makes me nuts.

You can TELL when something is produced just to cater to the market or just to make money. There is a lot of that out there, trust me. I don't think the HP movies and FA are in this category by a long shot.

And where does a Rolling Stone reviewer get off on making those sorts of comments anyway, eh? Last time I checked, they had some major corporate and commercial players in their product too.

But oh, the music industry is all about integrity and is the ultimate non-corporate and non-commercial machine! Don't we know that? *cough*boybands*cough* *cough*girlbands*cough*

Stupid dorks.

Re: How come...

[zorb]

How come...
Everytime someone does something that is creative, but is gorgeously done and works very well that it's considered "corporate" or "commercial"?

Jealousy. Pure jealousy. IMHO. Everybody likes to pick on the big guys.

*skips off*

Re: How come...

[nmalfoy.livejournal.com]

Rolling Stone isn't the magazine it used to be. Used to be known for it's non-corporate mentality, and that showed in the stories it wrote and the issues it tackled.

I can't think of anything more corporate than mainstream music. And I'm in radio. Assistant music director at the station. I deal with the record companies. Yeah. Music ain't corporate. And I just lost fifty pounds when writing that.

Sheesh.

FA isn't corporate, doll

[praetorianguard.livejournal.com]

Heidi, I know you get this criticism sometimes, but FA isn't corporate. And I criticize people all the time for going corporate (including Rolling Stone with their covers of bad, half-clothed actresses). And while I do think that the Harry Potter movies are pretty corporate (ahem, Chris Columbus), I would never, ever characterize FA as corporate.

I have a new mantra for you: Must remember that formality and being corporate are two totally different things. Don't have to sell out to avoid being sued.

Chin up! Beat the server problems down! Call me about your bylaws!

Amy, who decided she didn't like the first, on-the-spot, full-of-pressure LJ name and has changed it

[jlh.livejournal.com]

I think the reason people think FA is corporate is because it doesn't have a specific point of view. It isn't solely devoted to Draco worship, or Lucius/Harry chanslash, or twincest, or anything in particular, like smaller, more "personal" sites. But I think that's FA's strength.

Of course, that has nothing to do with sheer size; it was always always like that. I know that you all set out, when you started the place, to have it be welcoming to all sorts of fics and conversations and I can say, having joined in December 01, that it always felt that way to me.

As for Peter Travers, he's one of those "golden age of the 70s" Paulette type reviewers. He likes his films handmade and his favourite director is probably Scorcese. Of course, Marty would give his left testicle to have a monster hit, which never occurs to guys like that. They entirely missed Kael's point, that something mass could be good. Moron.