heidi: (prey)
When JKR said in a Radio City Music Hall reading/event that Dumbledore was gay.

On twitter today, a friend of mine asked about how society had changed since then, and I started thinking about how fandom had changed since then - or actually, since 2000/2001.

I found an essay by Tinderblast (different pseud now, but I won't link to it unless she says it's ok) written in 2000 or 2001 about slash and the HP fandom - you can read it here. It says, in response to the flames many slash writers were receiving:

All right, then, let's take a look at the most oft-cited justifications of the flames, and see what they say.
...
2. Slash pairings are out of character.

When you think about it, no fanfic is completely in character, simply because the fic writers aren't writing the characters as the author originally planned - so what J.K. Rowling was thinking when she wrote the books isn't really an issue until she tells us straight out about the leanings of the characters. And how many POVs are the books told from? One. Harry's point of view. Not having seen the inside of most of the characters' thoughts, we can't say for sure which ones are homosexual, which ones are het, and which ones are bi. Okay, sure, having seen the Yule Ball, we can say that the majority of the characters, if not all, are heterosexual. But that doesn't eliminate the possibility of their being bisexual. In fact, Harry might be bisexual, too - people don't always realize they have homosexual leanings the moment their hormones start working.

While we're at it, how is Remus and/or Sirius having a long lost girlfriend/wife any more plausible then their having been lovers in the past? We have no evidence pointing either way - they could have sworn themselves to celibacy, for all we know.

Putting the last two paragraphs into two words, prove it.


Well, that's certainly an argument that hasn't been made in the last four years. From 2000 through 2007, though, it wasn't uncommon for people to say that if JKR had intended for there to be gay wizards, she would have said so and since she hadn't, there weren't any.

There were threads like this one on FictionAlley, and two vendors at Nimbus who were shocked SHOCKED at the drawing in the Program of Harry and Draco embracing, so much so that they were harassing our attendees, and were asked to leave the vendor room (yes, we refunded their fees).

So today, there was a story on the news that 53% of all Americans believes that there is nothing morally wrong with being gay, and that's a number that's significantly higher than any from 2000 or 2004 or even 2007. Did Dumbledore make that much of a difference? No, probably not in the wider world - but perhaps in fandom? Is it possible that some Harry Potter fans who thought that there couldn't possibly homosexuality in the wizarding world, who thought that to see that some characters in the books were, or might be, gay or bisexual or transgender was to inherently misread and defile JKR's stories... is it possible that some of them have, since October 19, 2007, changed their minds?
heidi: (prey)
When JKR said in a Radio City Music Hall reading/event that Dumbledore was gay.

On twitter today, a friend of mine asked about how society had changed since then, and I started thinking about how fandom had changed since then - or actually, since 2000/2001.

I found an essay by Tinderblast (different pseud now, but I won't link to it unless she says it's ok) written in 2000 or 2001 about slash and the HP fandom - you can read it here. It says, in response to the flames many slash writers were receiving:

All right, then, let's take a look at the most oft-cited justifications of the flames, and see what they say.
...
2. Slash pairings are out of character.

When you think about it, no fanfic is completely in character, simply because the fic writers aren't writing the characters as the author originally planned - so what J.K. Rowling was thinking when she wrote the books isn't really an issue until she tells us straight out about the leanings of the characters. And how many POVs are the books told from? One. Harry's point of view. Not having seen the inside of most of the characters' thoughts, we can't say for sure which ones are homosexual, which ones are het, and which ones are bi. Okay, sure, having seen the Yule Ball, we can say that the majority of the characters, if not all, are heterosexual. But that doesn't eliminate the possibility of their being bisexual. In fact, Harry might be bisexual, too - people don't always realize they have homosexual leanings the moment their hormones start working.

While we're at it, how is Remus and/or Sirius having a long lost girlfriend/wife any more plausible then their having been lovers in the past? We have no evidence pointing either way - they could have sworn themselves to celibacy, for all we know.

Putting the last two paragraphs into two words, prove it.


Well, that's certainly an argument that hasn't been made in the last four years. From 2000 through 2007, though, it wasn't uncommon for people to say that if JKR had intended for there to be gay wizards, she would have said so and since she hadn't, there weren't any.

There were threads like this one on FictionAlley, and two vendors at Nimbus who were shocked SHOCKED at the drawing in the Program of Harry and Draco embracing, so much so that they were harassing our attendees, and were asked to leave the vendor room (yes, we refunded their fees).

So today, there was a story on the news that 53% of all Americans believes that there is nothing morally wrong with being gay, and that's a number that's significantly higher than any from 2000 or 2004 or even 2007. Did Dumbledore make that much of a difference? No, probably not in the wider world - but perhaps in fandom? Is it possible that some Harry Potter fans who thought that there couldn't possibly homosexuality in the wizarding world, who thought that to see that some characters in the books were, or might be, gay or bisexual or transgender was to inherently misread and defile JKR's stories... is it possible that some of them have, since October 19, 2007, changed their minds?
heidi: (PRNO)
So the Slash Panel Podcast from Phoenix Rising is uploaded, and sitting in our SpellCastPlus folder but it can't go live because it's a smidge too long for our monthly account quota. So we're trying to upgrade the account, and PayPal is "unavailable"!

As NA!Draco used to say, my mood is enraged. Bleh at PayPal! Don't you *want* people to spend money, you silly company?

Anyhow, what this means is, it'll be up soon at FictionAlley's SpellCastPlus page and shortly thereafter via a nifty ODEO streaming thingy!
heidi: (Hug by casira & teh_indy)
So, have any of you ever seen a statement from JKR where she said that it was against her wishes for people to write slash fanfic, discuss whether any characters in the books are/were gay, or write fanfics, or discuss the possibility of and issues surrounding student (or former student)/teacher relationships?

Because someone on HpfGU-OTC is very sure that JKR wishes that slash not be written or discussed, and that she also wishes that student/teacher romances not be written or discussed, and that FA has "no regard for JKR's wishes and are filling their site with slash and student teacher pairings."

And, well, even though I've read every interview with the woman since, um, 1997, because of my work with TLC and the Quick Quotes section (which I helped Mike the Goat with even before it became a part of TLC), it's possible that she said it somewhere and I just haven't seen it, but this random person on HpfGU-OTC has.

Anyone? Bueller?

And no, I didn't post this so people could descend on HpfGU-OTC and post replies to that post, or to the subsequent one here - I posted this ) and this ) already...

But I just feel like people making up comments by JKR to justify their own personal preferences can be a little overmuch.

Now, I'm off to help Paul get FA back up. Sigh!
heidi: (meh)
WB so hates you.

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